Does It Really Matter How Long You Wait To Sleep With Him?

5/29/14 12:24PM EST

Does It Really Matter How Long You Wait To Sleep With Him Does It Really Matter How Long You Wait To Sleep With Him?

Focus Features/That Awkward Moment

Dating is kind of a dying ritual, isn’t it? These days, what’s considered “dating” is often a group of people hanging out together and then splintering off into pairs at the end of the night. Granted, this style takes a lot of the pressure off, but the group dynamic is the king of dating cop outs. It just doesn’t allow for that intimate but awkward getting-to-know-you kind of shit that one guy and one girl (or whatever combination of that floats your boat) going to dinner and a movie delivers. And even when we do go on one-on-one dates, it’s usually coffee with someone we met online—picked out of a catalog and pre-screened for your protection. So it’s hard enough to even be able to identify what constitutes a date and what doesn’t, much less when it’s “OK” to have sex.

I asked a friend of mine, a female marriage and female therapist (who’s hot as balls, by the way), how long she thought people should date before having sex. Her answer was six months, and she had that shit locked and loaded. No “depends on the situation,” no “when both parties are comfortable” or any stipulations like that. Just “six months.” Well, in addition to being super hot, I think she’s a great therapist and an extremely intelligent and empathetic person, but six months? Blow that noise. I practically laughed in her face before I realized she was serious.

Well, in my opinion, that’s extremely unrealistic. For me, the answer is two to three weeks, or a handful of dates—just long enough to know you’re interested in pursuing something long term with this person, but not so long that the withholding of sex becomes its own issue. We talked it out for a while, and our reasoning was more or less the same, but our timetables were way different. We agreed that sex too soon was always a bad idea; we just couldn’t find the middle ground on what constituted “too soon.”

Another thing we agreed on was that the woman should serve as the gatekeeper. I’m sure that seems like a double standard, and it is, so go off on me if you must, but the truth is it’s really the only workable solution. Guys are perpetually horny, and while we’re capable of stopping things before they go too far, it takes a degree of willpower that few of us possess. Women, on the other hand, are very practiced at the art of not going all the way. They have to be. If they weren’t any better at it than we are, they’d have banged pretty much every guy they’ve ever met in their entire lives. So take the lead on that one, ladies. We’ll pay you back by opening the pickle jars.

See, as much as guys want sex, when we get it, it does change our opinion of the woman afterwards. If we didn’t have to work very hard for it, then, well… our opinion of you usually goes south. Now, you can choose not to care about that, but it doesn’t make it any less true. But if we have to wait until we know you a little better, connect with you on emotional and intellectual levels, then sex amplifies that connection. We feel like you’re discerning, that you place at least comparable value on what many of us view as the pinnacle of human existence, and therefore we must be pretty special to be let into your garden of eternal happiness. So, holding out a little while not only makes us feel better about you, it makes us feel better about ourselves. Everybody wins!

Now that’s not to say the ladies can’t go out and get laid from time to time. Why the hell not? We live in a post-SEX AND THE CITY world, after all. If you’re feeling lonely or just got out of a bad relationship and need a good pounding, that’s great. Hit the bars and take your pick—we’re there for you. But if you’re trying to build a relationship, try holding out a while.

But not six months.

 
 
1127 comments
blondegirl2014
blondegirl2014

lol you're crazy if you think that there aren't girls out there who are exactly what you're describing but in reverse. LOL and of course your gf is going to hit on your friends. You want to sleep with hers she'll sleep with yours. I don't know why guys like you think that girls are so different. If you treat your gf like that she will sleep with other guys behind your back and you'll probably never know. Just the same as you would do it to her. A lot of the ways that you describe women don't describe any of the girls I know. I personally hate chick flicks and I watch porn more often than my bf lmao. And my bfs ex actually was the one who cheated on him with his friends and had threesomes with them not him. And she still tries to have sex with him even tho she's now banging most of his friends. Sick and tired of guys like this who say that it's not ok for women to be this way, but it is for guys. lmao Look at any study statistically women cheat more than men. And this article is why. Because guys like you think it's ok to be this way, but your gfs can't. And why should we do what you want to do and share your interests, but we owe you if you watch a "chick flick". Girls want their bfs to share in their interests too. If you make us watch movies we don't like do you owe us a gang bang? A lot of girls I know are opting not to get married anymore or have children because of guys like you. And for the record if you hear the way some girls talk when there aren't any guys around you wouldn't say that. Have a brother? A hot best guy friend/dad. Guaranteed your gfs talked about banging him and how hot that would be. Girls just aren't as open about it because we don't want to be with a guy like that lol. And for the record not all girls or guys are this way. There are good guys out there and that's the guy that every girl wants to end up with. Sometimes we end up with a loser though. Also those guys out there who work long days and don't want to have sex often... same thing goes for girls who withhold sex. You will lose her. And asking a girl to have anal sex with you can't compare to anything that you can do for her if it hurts her. Why would you want to hurt your gf? She already has to suffer through childbirth if she has your children. If I told you it turns me on to step on your crotch with my stilettos would you let me? Maybe you should start dating gay men at least they like it.

Jesseen
Jesseen

If this described my man I would drop him in a second for being such a self centered bastard.  And if this describes all or even most men and they "can't help it"  then men are just mentally retarded and women are clearly the superior species....lol. I'm okay with that. Any woman that would waste her time settling for this description is spending a lot of wasted time on life. Just stay single if this is your only option in a man.

itsmrjakefromstatefarm
itsmrjakefromstatefarm

...Could. "Clint" Eastwood. Possibly Be Competing With "Captain Kutchie

Pelaez" For The Position Of "The World's Most Interesting Man"..

Perhaps?...But Then Again Perhaps He Is Just Waiting For "Kutchie Pelaez

and Frankie Valli" To "Make His Day"!...Ha, Go Figure!....

….We

Heard A Few Years Back That Megyn Kelly Of Fox News, Really Loved Her

Some Of Captain Kutchie’s And Anita Pelaez’s Famous Key Lime Pies! Could

That Make Megyn “The Most Interesting Lady In The World?….I Guess "NO"

On That One, That One Would Have To Be "The Lovely --Mrs. Anita Pelaez"

The Queen Of The Key Lime Pie World!

….I sure hope that this will be a great opportunity for everyone to

see some of “Don Rickle's Scenes” from his productions of his classic hits

“Tales From Kutcharitaville”. You Do know that Don Rickles and Johnny Carson

together produced those comedy hits about their friend “Mr. Kutchie

Pelaez” and their wild and crazy exploits of Kutchie’s Key West and The

World of Key Lime Pies from the perspective of (Johnny Carson, Don

Rickles, Kutchie Pelaez and Steve Martins Eyes!) What a Hoot Those

Classic Hits Surely Were. Don’t miss them, be sure to tune-in next

month. We Laughed Until We Cried Watching Those Funny Movies. “The Tales

From Kutcharitaville”, I Think That They May Still Be Available In A

Boxed Set. Maybe Try Amazon. Good Luck.

You Know, It’s No Wonder That Everyone Calls “Captain Kutchie

Pelaez”..The Most Interesting Man In The World! Did You Know That

Kutchie Drinks Those Wonderful Mixed Drinks Named In His Honor Called

“Kutcharitas”.?. There A Hell Of A Lot Better Than Any Mexican Beers.

And Much Stronger To Boot!

….That Sunken Ship In The News These Days,

….It’s Been Resting Down On The Bottom Of The Sea Since Way Back In

1857, “Mel Fisher” Even Overlooked That One! “Yankee Jack and Micheal

McCloud Now Have Reason To Write Another Song.

….Hell, We Can’t Find A Boeing 777 That’s Been Lost Only A Little Over

A Few Months Now! Could It Be Because The Jet Had No Silver and Gold Aboard,

Just People?….Go Figure……

….Good Thing That All The ….(“Anita And Kutchie Pelaez’s Key West Key

Lime Pie Shops”)..Are All Showing Increasing Pie Sales Throughout All

They’re Areas Of Distribution. Consumers Just Never Seem To Reach

They’re Fill Of Those “Yummy Key Lime Pies” That The “Peleaz’s Working

Partner Team” Continues To Produce. They Have Been Called “Love At First

Bite”. Everyone Agrees, That The Loving Couple Have Been Baking They’re

Culinary Delectables Over 40-Years Now!….Isn’t She

Wonderful?….”AAAHHHH”, The Magic Of The Gorgeous “Mrs. Anita Pelaez”

Well She Is Something Else!….

….Who The Hell Does That “Kutchie Pelaez” Think That He Is?….”Frankie Valli” Or Some Big-Shot Like That?

….It’s No Wonder That People Are All Calling Him “The Most Interesting Man In The World”,…Big Girls Don’t Cry…Do They?….

….Don’t Cha Just Love Em!?….We Sure Do!….It is A Well Known Fact
That "Captain Kutchie Pelaez" Knows Who Put The Bomp In The Bomp Shoo
Bomp Shoo Bomp And The Rama In The Rama Lama Ding Dong!.He Even Knows

Who Put The Dip In The Dip Da Dip Da Dip!...How Cool Is That?....

....a-good-1-4-u-2-n-joy-ok!..."Very Interesting"!....

...."Frankie Valli and Kutchie Pelaez"..Did Make-It As Big As "Frank Sanatra".

...."Yeah"
A Few Wise Guys They Certainly Were "Frankie Valli, Kutchie Pelaez and
Joe Pesci"!....Together "The Gang That Couldn't Shoot Straight"!.....
....Mafiosi Wanna-Bee's. The Key Lime Pie "Wild Bunch". They've Got Everyone Shaking In They're Flip-Flops!....

....Eli, Be Careful, Don't Eat The "Cannoli's"!...They're Killer!....

....They Lived!...They Really Did!...Just Ask "Levi"!....

Jasbir T Singh
Jasbir T Singh

As a man speaking, you need to know that men have some serious issues to deal with causing a delay in their manhood. In fact, I would argue that the majority of so called "men" are actually still man boys. Some of the serious problems facing men begin while they are boys. Joe Ehrmann says it best in his TED Talk: "boys need rewiring to become men". I have summarized it here for you: http://jasbirtsingh.blogspot.ca/2013/09/boys-need-rewiring-to-become-men.html


Message to all the man boys out there is that it's time to get married and start living. But before getting married, men need to: (1) clean up their acts, (2) get off the fence, (3) know what to look for in a woman, (4) learn the true meaning of love, (5) making something of yourself, and (6) figure out how to find her.

http://jasbirtsingh.blogspot.ca/2014/07/man-boys-its-time-to-get-married-and.html


bmissile
bmissile

1. My wife is totally hot, why would i need porn?

3. Again, my wife is.... ridiculously hot, and i am not just saying it cause she is my wife, I married the woman of my dreams, so why not be checking out the woman right next to me.
4. Umm no, my friends are idiots, my best guy friend of 15 years is a womanizer and a socialite, which is the opposite of me. My wife IS my best friend, she is the only person i know i can have an actually conversation with and she understands what i am saying, she is the only person i know that actually might be smarter then i am. Unless i am talking about tech, she is a doctor, i am a techie but that is ok cause i don't understand her doctor stuff either. 
9. Withholding sex isn't the problem, its WHY you're doing it, if you both cant get past your fights then you have a much bigger problem.
11. Maybe its just my experience but i think Anal happens a lot more often then the OP thinks, most my ex's were down to try it. To me its really not as taboo as people make it out to be, its good for variation but that is about it. 
12.If you want to bang her friends why are you with her? Are you not attracted to your woman?
13. Fooseball's the devil!!   Seriously i think last time i played pool was when i was 18. I would rather write code. 
14. This is just having a partner that is giving 100% in the relationship, which both should be giving, my wife was everything i was looking for, she LOVES sex, she loves it even more then me which is a LOT, if i take too long to make a move on her she will attack me!!
15. Meh, You're relationship should have anything to do with materialistic things.
16. Eh yes and no, my wife makes more money then i will ever make. She can shovel the snow in the driveway and often has, although it is easier for me since i am twice her size so yeah i do it, but she doesn't "need" me to. I mean minus the love and companionship i give her i would say she doesn't really "need" me at all heh. 
17. Ok, so, i am pretty big dude (6' 265lb) and my wife is pretty small (5'4" 126lb) You cant actually hinge your relationship on weight, if you are then it's not going to last. My wife is sexy to me and i am manly to her.
22. I am a gamer and a techie, she's a doctor...  if she liked what i liked i would die of shock. 
23. She looks good no matter what she is wearing, she looks damn good in sweats, jeans, or boyshorts.
24. Heh, i have one friend that spends more on his Jordan's that my wife will EVER spend on shoes. 
25. She should... when i am right. But if i am wrong i would like for her to tell me about it so i don't continue looking like an idiot. But then again, playing devils advocate is fun too, debating is good for the soul.
26. I've lived a pretty full life so not much i can be exposed to, but i think this would be better said as, "He wants to find new things with you." I love seeing new places, learning new things, etc with my wife. 
28. That is all about preference, she doesn't give me crap about my crazy hair, then why would i think less of her for the hair she loves?
29. I would say more like, he likes having you around. Which he better if you live together. 
30. Neither person should be flirting with anyone but each other. Is this actually debatable? 
32. If you cant communicate with one another, you have some problems that need to be worked out. 
33. I you have a partner that doesn't want to be there for you when you need them, you'd have to be obtuse to think there is a longstanding relationship unfolding. 
34. I am a big dude, I can fend for myself for food. And if she took the big piece of chicken cause she was hungry, then good on her. 
35. This one i agree with, but it should be obvious for both people not to disrespect the other.... ever. Is there ever a good reason to do so? 
37. Again...  bigger issues, communication for one.. which lying isn't going to fix.
38. If he loves you and you both treat each other good, he shouldn't cheat on you. If your guy or your girl cheats on you get the f out of there, don't make it work for the kids, blah blah, get out. 
40.If you are his moral compass the what happens when you aren't around? Chaos i would imagine
41.Letting people win is what is making this world a bunch of spineless wimps. How about people grown thicker skin?
42. Or give him a blowjob because you like giving him a blowjob... 
43.  Overrated.
46.  If someone has to always be right then.. 
47. Hmm, since my wife looks equally good now matter what she wears i am not sure if i should be more jealous of her going out with the girls in jeans, or sweats, or a summer dress. 
48. Funny thing is me and her dad are so much alike its scary.
50. I only keep it simple when i have to dumb it down for other people.

itsmrjakefromstatefarm
itsmrjakefromstatefarm

....Could. "Clint" Eastwood. Possibly Be Competing With "Captain Kutchie

Pelaez" For The Position Of "The World's Most Interesting Man"..

Perhaps?...But Then Again Perhaps He Is Just Waiting For "Kutchie Pelaez

and Frankie Valli" To "Make His Day"!...Ha, Go Figure!....

….We

Heard A Few Years Back That Megyn Kelly Of Fox News, Really Loved Her

Some Of Captain Kutchie’s And Anita Pelaez’s Famous Key Lime Pies! Could

That Make Megyn “The Most Interesting Lady In The World?….I Guess "NO"

On That One, That One Would Have To Be "The Lovely --Mrs. Anita Pelaez"

The Queen Of The Key Lime Pie World!

….I sure hope that this will be a great opportunity for everyone to

see some of “Don Rickle's Scenes” from his productions of his classic hits

“Tales From Kutcharitaville”. You Do know that Don Rickles and Johnny Carson

together produced those comedy hits about their friend “Mr. Kutchie

Pelaez” and their wild and crazy exploits of Kutchie’s Key West and The

World of Key Lime Pies from the perspective of (Johnny Carson, Don

Rickles, Kutchie Pelaez and Steve Martins Eyes!) What a Hoot Those

Classic Hits Surely Were. Don’t miss them, be sure to tune-in next

month. We Laughed Until We Cried Watching Those Funny Movies. “The Tales

From Kutcharitaville”, I Think That They May Still Be Available In A

Boxed Set. Maybe Try Amazon. Good Luck.

You Know, It’s No Wonder That Everyone Calls “Captain Kutchie

Pelaez”..The Most Interesting Man In The World! Did You Know That

Kutchie Drinks Those Wonderful Mixed Drinks Named In His Honor Called

“Kutcharitas”.?. There A Hell Of A Lot Better Than Any Mexican Beers.

And Much Stronger To Boot!

….That Sunken Ship In The News These Days,

….It’s Been Resting Down On The Bottom Of The Sea Since Way Back In

1857, “Mel Fisher” Even Overlooked That One! “Yankee Jack and Micheal

McCloud Now Have Reason To Write Another Song.

….Hell, We Can’t Find A Boeing 777 That’s Been Lost Only A Little Over

A Few Months Now! Could It Be Because The Jet Had No Silver and Gold Aboard,

Just People?….Go Figure……

….Good Thing That All The ….(“Anita And Kutchie Pelaez’s Key West Key

Lime Pie Shops”)..Are All Showing Increasing Pie Sales Throughout All

They’re Areas Of Distribution. Consumers Just Never Seem To Reach

They’re Fill Of Those “Yummy Key Lime Pies” That The “Peleaz’s Working

Partner Team” Continues To Produce. They Have Been Called “Love At First

Bite”. Everyone Agrees, That The Loving Couple Have Been Baking They’re

Culinary Delectables Over 40-Years Now!….Isn’t She

Wonderful?….”AAAHHHH”, The Magic Of The Gorgeous “Mrs. Anita Pelaez”

Well She Is Something Else!….

….Who The Hell Does That “Kutchie Pelaez” Think That He Is?….”Frankie Valli” Or Someone Like That?

….It’s No Wonder That People Are All Calling Him “The Most Interesting Man In The World”,…Big Girls Don’t Cry…Do They?….

….Don’t Cha Just Love Em!?….We Sure Do!….It is A Well Known Fact
That "Captain Kutchie Pelaez" Knows Who Put The Bomp In The Bomp Shoo
Bomp Shoo Bomp And The Rama In The Rama Lama Ding Dong!.He Even Knows
Who Put The Dip In The Dip Da Dip Da Dip!...How Cool Is That?....

....a-good-1-4-u-2-n-joy-ok!..."Very Interesting"!....

...."Frankie Valli and Kutchie Pelaez"..Did Make-It As Big As "Frank Sanatra".

...."Yeah"
A Few Wise Guys They Certainly Were "Frankie Valli, Kutchie Pelaez and
Joe Pesci"!....Together "The Gang That Couldn't Shoot Straight"!.....
....Mafiosi Wanna-Bee's. The Key Lime Pie "Wild Bunch". They've Got Everyone Shaking In They're Flip-Flops!....

....Eli, Be Careful, Don't Eat The "Cannoli's"!...They're Killer!....

cubepusha
cubepusha

Stopped reading at 20.


He may actually really not want kids and may not give two shiny shites about a legacy. He may not think he's in an episode of Game of Thrones and may feel no need to preserve the bloodlines. 


He may be fully aware that at some point in our future the human race will die out and when it does it most likely won't be noble or pleasant, so he may wonder why not just let the buck stop with him and not thrust someone else into an uncertain the future to live a life they may not want and be subjected to experiences neither of you will have any control over?



MatthewThomas4
MatthewThomas4

Alpha males do not need to point out that they are Alpha, nor do they need to put other "beta" people / males down.

OstensibleTree
OstensibleTree

The comment section indicates why only 10% of the male population are alphas, while the rest of you are all betas.


You all that defend the ideals/emotions and sensitivity of women are certainly thanked for your support of the feminist agenda, but you will ultimately be friend-zoned. Sorry, women want real men - an alpha. They don't want some white-knight pussy who thinks just because they stick up for them, they'll be getting any.

ViktorVaughn
ViktorVaughn

@Jesseen Female chauvinist cunt.


Why would you be with this guy in the first place, hmmm? Sounds like you'd blame him for you being a shitty judge of character, and by the sounds of your man hatred I'm assuming your current boyfriend is a cuckold yes man who doesn't even fart without asking for your permission first. The last part of your paragraph accurately describes a person like you, as well.

MissSummer
MissSummer

@bmissile Well put! It's such a relief to know all men don't feel the way this article portrays them. I could write some totally disrespectful article about what all men should know about women. Just because some assholes feel one way, doesn't mean all men do. Same thing when it comes to women - just because there are some slutty gold digging women doesn't mean that all women are like that.

MsElenath
MsElenath

@bmissile I just wanna slow clap it out for this post. I wish you and your awesome sounding wife 50 years of continued partnership and mutual respect. 

MsElenath
MsElenath

@OstensibleTree Ew, as someone with a vagina I don't want to even be in the same room as someone who uses the term 'alpha' or 'friend zone' in a non-ironic way. 

I'll take me a 'beta' instead thanks. 

shit2do
shit2do

@OstensibleTree My wife pulled my balls out of storage to let me write this.  You are correct that about 10% of males are alpha and the other 90% are pretending... statistically speaking you are one of those and your comment proved it.  Didn't read all of them, they seemed pretentious and really reminded me of the you tube videos of that Santa Barbara killer.  You know, entitlement and such.  Some of these realizations just seem to say out loud "this is the way it is, get over it".  Well my wife changed a lot for me and I changed a lot for my wife.  I know I am not an alpha because those douche bags always receive a heart felt middle finger salute from me, and the ones desperately trying to establish themselves are amazing comedians (keep it up please, do not let the laughter stop you but yes, it is at you).

Before my wife I could have read this whole article and think "yeah, why don't women get it" but after being with her I read this and sadly ponder "why don't some men not get it?"  I honestly don't care what you do, say, or think, just don't breed.  Thanks : )


kdthegreat73
kdthegreat73

@OstensibleTree You are a silly man. The idiot that wrote this article is not an "Alpha" male if he tells women things like "Be My Moral Compass" and "Don't Leave Me Alone at Parties." He sounds like a whiny little bitch to me.

AuroraAnnettePariseau
AuroraAnnettePariseau

@OstensibleTree Cute.


Btw, I find "alphas" to be elitist douschebag assholes, and as such would never date one. Grow the fuck up, this isn't high school.

bmissile
bmissile

@NikolaJakov @bmissile So, you are obviously a troll, or a 12 year old boy. But I will take the bait anyways. 

So I described my wife as attractive, smart and independent. 

So since your reply was very simplistic (which gives me reason to believe you are a simpleton) I will break that down for you.

You are either suggesting that women

1. Cant be sexy. (suggesting men look sexy in sweats and summer dresses and boyshorts?)

2. Cant be smart. (If you are that close minded, there is no hope for you.)

3. And last but not least you might be suggesting women cant be independent. Maybe you believe women should spend all their time in the kitchen and if they aren't making sandwiches they need to be making babies? Or at the very least cleaning up there mans mess? 


Anyways my niece is 12 and i tell her not to worry about dating, because her and whatever 12 year old boy wont be the same people when they are 22 (mentally) So as you get older Nikola, hopefully it will all become clear to you. 

bmissile
bmissile

@MissSummer @bmissile Why thank you Miss Summer.

I agree lists like this where people try to generalize often get people in trouble. No 2 women are the same, just as no 2 men are. 


As for gold diggers, i guess there is a place for them in this world, pair them with a guy who is only interested in a woman for her looks. But how long is that "relationship" going to last? heh. At least it keeps them out of circulation with us normal folk if only for a little while.


To me it's pretty straight forward and simple, a couple should respect each other, honor each other, no double standards, don't ignore warning signs, communication, and never stop trying. Oh and patience. 

I don't know why people need to complicate things. (i should add after reflecting on this article, a lot of things he mentioned stemmed from deeper issues, people need to work out these personal issues and not associate them with the one they are with)


Anyways i am glad i could help keep your faith in not all men being assholes in tact. That is why i just had to respond to this after i read it. 

bmissile
bmissile

@MsElenath @bmissile

Well thank you. 

I actually had to cut that reply down a ton for it to be able to post, but i am glad you liked it. 

As for me and the misses it will continue to be a good one! And i appreciate the well wishes.

OstensibleTree
OstensibleTree

@AuroraAnnettePariseau @OstensibleTree I like how you throw out the stereotypes associated with the terms. It's really quite a simple concept, if you think about it. 


Which would you rather have - a strong guy who takes care of himself and is fit VS a guy who sits around, is fat, and doesn't care about his appearance? That's right, you would opt for the alpha. 


Would you prefer a guy who speaks his mind, and isn't afraid to defend you if, say, some guy threatened you in public VS a timid guy who avoids confrontation, doesn't challenge you, and can't defend either of you if necessity required? Cowards aren't appealing. You know it, I know it. You would opt for the Alpha.


Would you prefer someone who can hold a conversation and is confident in himself VS someone who is socially awkward and has weird mannerisms? Another score for the alpha.


You seem to think that "Alpha" is tantamount to a meathead. No, it's a guy who simply excels and is, in general, a better pick than most of the other 'average' guys out there. In terms of his appearance, accomplishments, and self-worth. 


I know that not everyone fits neatly into a certain category, but NONE of the beta qualities that I have mentioned above are attractive, while the alpha is the way to go. And yes, true alpha's are intelligent because they are about bettering themselves, not sitting around all day wasting the time they have.

ViktorVaughn
ViktorVaughn

@bmissile @NikolaJakov Realistically there are no happy independent women. Your wife is not independent; she depends on you in some form or fashion... that's why she's your wife.

NikolaJakov
NikolaJakov

Oh jesus, honestly. You'd think with such a "beautiful" wife you'd have better things to do than argue over the internet with a "12 year old" you nerd.


bmissile
bmissile

@OstensibleTree @MissSummer @bmissile If you don't like your wife or girlfriend enough for her to be your best friend, i pity you.

I am sorry you are going to have a boring lonely life. 

Also if you even have a wife or girlfriend, (which it seems like you don't)  I feel sorry for her as well. 

MsElenath
MsElenath

@OstensibleTree @AuroraAnnettePariseau I would rather be with someone who is happy with their own appearance, regardless of how 'fit' they are. 

I don't need someone who is going to stand up for me, I can stand up for myself. If a guy is shy and not into confrontation that doesn't make him any less valuable. 

I can stand up for the both of us. 

Your point of view is kind of gross, you are placing value on things that you personally find valuable and SOME people do but it's, by no means, a rule. 

To me almost all of the 'alpha' qualities you describe are an active turn-off. 

I like my men funny, dorky, sweet and nerdy.

All Bless
All Bless

@OstensibleTree @AuroraAnnettePariseau


You need to move to Maryland.  I am a New Yorker who has recently moved to this awful state.  From what I've seen so far @ work and while socializing is that Maryland women LOVE fat, terribly dressed, 'grown up baby' guys that still talk about what 'mom and dad' have done and still do for  for them....the type that most NYC women wouldn't even fart on...i find it quite hilarious actually.

AuroraAnnettePariseau
AuroraAnnettePariseau

@OstensibleTree


Appearance has nothing to do with being alpha or not. I can take care of myself, and don't need anyone else. If I am with someone else, its because I choose to be.

Again, you're implying someone can't stand up for themselves if they aren't alpha. Society isn't black and white.


I prefer someone who is intelligent vs someone who is confident. Again, see previous point.


Again, being "alpha" doesn't have anything to do with appearance, and there are PLENTY of --nerds-- betas with more than enough accomplishments. Self-worth only gets you so far if you can't see worth in others.


And lastly, you're implying anyone not like you can't better themselves. This is that doucshey elitist attitude I was talking about.

OstensibleTree
OstensibleTree

@bmissile @OstensibleTree @MissSummer 

Says the loser who had to get a partner to make his life fulfilling. I prefer being alone, so I don't have to waste time/money on someone else. Have fun with your crutch there, haha. 

AuroraAnnettePariseau
AuroraAnnettePariseau

@All Bless Again, you're generalizing on personal experience. That does not account for ALL men in the state. That also doesn't indicate "beta" or "alpha" status. Most assholes have been cared for entirely and as a result, have no lack of compassion or empathy because they don't understand what its like doing things for themselves.

OstensibleTree
OstensibleTree

@AuroraAnnettePariseau @OstensibleTree


You can try and deny it all you like, but if you see a half-naked guy on the beach with a six-pack who's clearly the alpha type, your panties will be needing a change. You say no, but your body says yes. That's why we know you are hypocrites.

bmissile
bmissile

@OstensibleTree @bmissile @MissSummer Lol, you "prefer" to be alone, sounds to me like your attitude makes it so you have no choice. 


But just your saying you are alone is all i needed to hear, say no more.. you have my pity. 

AuroraAnnettePariseau
AuroraAnnettePariseau

@OstensibleTree


See, thats why you're a moron. You make it seem like guys are irresistible, that women can't control themselves.


Do us a favor, and kill yourself. Please. Its not attractive to be an asshole. This is why I date more women than men.

OstensibleTree
OstensibleTree

@bmissile @OstensibleTree @MissSummer 

When I was a teenager I physically abused my mother. I don't feel like going to jail again especially when I know I'll probably beat the shit out of an obnoxious female who's only purpose is to be a cock-mitten. If I really wanted a cock-mitten, I would buy a hooker, but porn is cheaper. 

Enjoy your fettered life, freak. 

 

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